Jem’hadar warships are made of unobtanium 3000

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Jem’hadar warships are made of unobtanium 3000

Postby 00111010 01000100 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:37 am

In DS9’s “The Ship”, the jem’hadar ship impacts into the loose but rocky terrain at speeds greater than terminal velocity (the ship exited warp and went into the planets atmosphere moments later. The crew was dead before leaving warp speeds due to inertial damper failure which translates into no one controlling the brakes - so how fast was the ship traveling? Pretty damned fast as it is shown leaving an atmospheric re-entry burn trail behind it before crashing). While I have some issues with the tiny impact (planetary) area and the ship sort of ‘soft landing’ in the soil. There’s the other aspect I cannot over look and that’s the structural integrity of the ship! It hit hard, into a rocky surface that it couldn’t go far enough into the ground to become completely buried. Yet it’s relatively intact and almost still fly-able! Whatever these things are made of or whatever SIF they’re using, Starfleet needs to switch to it ASAP.
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Re: Jem’hadar warships are made of unobtanium 3000

Postby Graham Kennedy » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:14 am

Trek ships have varied significantly in how much they resist impacts, but they do seem to be awfully strong in general. Like you say, advanced materials - duranium or tritanium - plus SIF, plus inertial dampers, all mean that you could probably drive into a cliff face at hundreds of miles an hour and hardly notice.
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Postby bladela » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:33 pm

Graham Kennedy wrote:Trek ships have varied significantly in how much they resist impacts, but they do seem to be awfully strong in general. Like you say, advanced materials - duranium or tritanium - plus SIF, plus inertial dampers, all mean that you could probably drive into a cliff face at hundreds of miles an hour and hardly notice.


think about the enterprise D during generations...
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Postby McAvoy » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:58 am

Or Voyager too. Though she hit some rock outcropping and her nacelle was destroyed. But for the most part the ship was intact.
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Re: Jem’hadar warships are made of unobtanium 3000

Postby Graham Kennedy » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:43 am

bladela wrote:
Graham Kennedy wrote:Trek ships have varied significantly in how much they resist impacts, but they do seem to be awfully strong in general. Like you say, advanced materials - duranium or tritanium - plus SIF, plus inertial dampers, all mean that you could probably drive into a cliff face at hundreds of miles an hour and hardly notice.


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Yes, although the saucers was said not to be salvageable, there really didn't seem to be a whole lot of damage. Considering it was smashing through huge rock outcrops and literally thousands of trees, it stood up remarkably well.
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Postby bladela » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:12 am

Graham Kennedy wrote:Yes, although the saucers was said not to be salvageable, there really didn't seem to be a whole lot of damage. Considering it was smashing through huge rock outcrops and literally thousands of trees, it stood up remarkably well.



I imagine they considered it not recoverable for purely "economic" reasons.


To recover it you would still have had to pair it with a new engine section ... at this point, perhaps it would be almost convenient to rebuild it from scratch.
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Postby Graham Kennedy » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:04 am

I also wonder how the underside fared. It scraped along the whole way on the ground. Can easily imagine the bottom few decks of the saucer were ripped up and we just couldn't see it.
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Postby bladela » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:53 am

Graham Kennedy wrote:I also wonder how the underside fared. It scraped along the whole way on the ground. Can easily imagine the bottom few decks of the saucer were ripped up and we just couldn't see it.



this makes it likely a further evacuation of the lower decks during the fall from the orbit, not directly visible on screen


otherwise it is unlikely anyone on that decks could survive
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Postby McAvoy » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:45 am

Yeah the saucer really didn't show alot of damage. But Id imagine the saucer is easily a million tons or more. I wonder if the SIF was working during that time.

But yeah I would imagine that whole underside of the saucer is smashed and ripped apart.
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Postby Praeothmin » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:10 pm

And in ST: Beyond, the Franklin, taking off, hit a shitload of rocky outcroppings without any visible damage.
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