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Federation Cell Ship

Postby Meste17 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:11 pm

I seem to have developed an interest in the Suliban cell ship from Star Trek Enterprise. It only seemed to be 3.25 meters, just as Graham said in DITL. However, that would only be a suitable size for a Suliban, not a human, as he/she wouldn't be able to fit comfortably in it.

However, that DID leave a question in my mind:
Seeing as how my bedroom in the USA is about 12.5 feet (or 3.81 meters), would that suit as the size of a Cell Ship cockpit?

And would it be possible to double that? That way the 3.81 meters would suit as a cockpit, and the remaining space could possibly be used to house a sort of mini - warp core and supporting equipment (such as life support equipment, power conduits, phaser coils, etc.)?
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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby McAvoy » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:25 pm

What would be the purpose of a Federation cell ship?
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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby Graham Kennedy » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:35 pm

Meste17 wrote:I seem to have developed an interest in the Suliban cell ship from Star Trek Enterprise. It only seemed to be 3.25 meters, just as Graham said in DITL. However, that would only be a suitable size for a Suliban, not a human, as he/she wouldn't be able to fit comfortably in it.

Huh? How big do humans get where you live? Here they tend to average about 180-200 cm. Seems like they fit quite comfortably :

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Seeing as how my bedroom in the USA is about 12.5 feet (or 3.81 meters), would that suit as the size of a Cell Ship cockpit?

A cell ship is a form of transport, not a house... very few forms of transport have 12.5 feet of headroom in them.

And would it be possible to double that? That way the 3.81 meters would suit as a cockpit, and the remaining space could possibly be used to house a sort of mini - warp core and supporting equipment (such as life support equipment, power conduits, phaser coils, etc.)?

Cell ships already have all that - we've seen that they can do warp speed and have weapons :

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If you're suggesting that Earth Starfleet build these things in the Enterprise timeframe, I doubt they have the capability. Cell ships are far, far beyond NX-01 technology - a warp core that can do Warp 5 or more, in a ship that size? Cloaking technology that will be only a theoretical technology even in the Original Series, 100+ years later? These things are practically magic compared to what Earth builds.

They've had a cell ship to look at, sure, and they might have clues from that, but that's not the same thing as being able to build one. You could hand an iPad to Issac Newton and he could examine it all he likes, he could even learn how to work it, but his society is simply incapable of reproducing it.

If you're suggesting this could be done in the TNG era, then cloaking devices are illegal, so no.
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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby McAvoy » Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:44 am

The other thing is these ships would be short ranged as there wouldn't be enough room for creature comforts like food and getting rid of bodily waste.
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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby Jim » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:30 am

But... where do you poop?
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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby Graham Kennedy » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:46 am

Do it in a bag. Open the front and chuck it out as needed...
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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby McAvoy » Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:44 pm

Or that seat is the toilet.

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Re: Federation Cell Ship

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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby Meste17 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:01 pm

McAvoy wrote:What would be the purpose of a Federation cell ship?


Maybe for the purpose of actual spy missions maybe?
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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby Meste17 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:03 pm

Graham Kennedy wrote:
Meste17 wrote:I seem to have developed an interest in the Suliban cell ship from Star Trek Enterprise. It only seemed to be 3.25 meters, just as Graham said in DITL. However, that would only be a suitable size for a Suliban, not a human, as he/she wouldn't be able to fit comfortably in it.

Huh? How big do humans get where you live? Here they tend to average about 180-200 cm. Seems like they fit quite comfortably :

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Haha I'm sorry I only had my own two feet walking from one side of the room to the other to measure, unfortunately -_-

Seeing as how my bedroom in the USA is about 12.5 feet (or 3.81 meters), would that suit as the size of a Cell Ship cockpit?

A cell ship is a form of transport, not a house... very few forms of transport have 12.5 feet of headroom in them.

And would it be possible to double that? That way the 3.81 meters would suit as a cockpit, and the remaining space could possibly be used to house a sort of mini - warp core and supporting equipment (such as life support equipment, power conduits, phaser coils, etc.)?

Cell ships already have all that - we've seen that they can do warp speed and have weapons :

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If you're suggesting that Earth Starfleet build these things in the Enterprise timeframe, I doubt they have the capability. Cell ships are far, far beyond NX-01 technology - a warp core that can do Warp 5 or more, in a ship that size? Cloaking technology that will be only a theoretical technology even in the Original Series, 100+ years later? These things are practically magic compared to what Earth builds.

They've had a cell ship to look at, sure, and they might have clues from that, but that's not the same thing as being able to build one. You could hand an iPad to Issac Newton and he could examine it all he likes, he could even learn how to work it, but his society is simply incapable of reproducing it.

If you're suggesting this could be done in the TNG era, then cloaking devices are illegal, so no.


Well that's exactly what I was implying, a TNG era ship, but no I was not suggesting that Earth Starfleet build them, only the Federation Starfleet build them, but to answer your question, WITHOUT cloaking devices. However, they DO have mini shuttles, such as the Type 18 shuttlepod, so yeah.
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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby Meste17 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:06 pm

Also, I suppose that I meant the Type 15 shuttles.
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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby McAvoy » Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:10 pm

TNG I doubt needs these ships. They might make for a alternative for one or two man shuttles. Hell, or use them as drones to swarm approaching enemy ships in less patroled areas.
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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby Meste17 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:34 am

Graham Kennedy wrote:
Meste17 wrote:I seem to have developed an interest in the Suliban cell ship from Star Trek Enterprise. It only seemed to be 3.25 meters, just as Graham said in DITL. However, that would only be a suitable size for a Suliban, not a human, as he/she wouldn't be able to fit comfortably in it.

Huh? How big do humans get where you live? Here they tend to average about 180-200 cm. Seems like they fit quite comfortably :

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If you're suggesting this could be done in the TNG era, then cloaking devices are illegal, so no.


Well I can see the cloaking device problem, but what about a ship WITHOUT one? Like as an experimental TNG prototype?
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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby McAvoy » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:09 am

Again what is purpose of the ship?
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Re: Federation Cell Ship

Postby Coalition » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:37 pm

McAvoy wrote:Again what is purpose of the ship?


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If used in combat, these things would get popped faster than the Lysian sentry drones.

As an unmanned drone they might present enough targets to give the opposing side trouble (similar to the recent Star Trek: Beyond movie), but once th opponent deploys a fast-firing weapon they will be popping all over the place.

They are basically part of the "Why doesn't Star-fleet use fighters" argument, and we have two threads about it here and here.
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