SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

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SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby Sonic Glitch » Mon May 16, 2011 9:48 pm

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Re: SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby Graham Kennedy » Tue May 17, 2011 12:43 am

I really don't get the level of hate.

I know it wasn't a good episode by any stretch... not even a "standard" one for that matter.

But seriously... worse than Shades of Grey? Worse than The Royale? Worse than Threshold?

I just don't get it.
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Re: SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby Nickswitz » Tue May 17, 2011 1:23 am

I'm sort of with you Graham, I mean it was a terrible episode, but it was just humor, failed humor, but it wasn't anything that was actually meant to mean something and just failed miserably at it.
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Re: SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby Foxbat » Tue May 17, 2011 2:48 am

I'm sorry, but Okona is worse than Pulaski? Really? At least we only had to suffer through 47 minutes minus the 'B' plot on Okona, and he never returned. It took a whole season to get Pulaski off the ship...

I will admit, it is the MOST unfunny episode I've seen in which humor was expected of any of the Start Trek Incarnations...
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Re: SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby Tyyr » Tue May 17, 2011 7:50 pm

I think it can be understood. While Threshold, Royale, Shades of Grey etc. tried to tell a story and it sucked for one reason or another Okana was supposed to be carried by the comedy and even at the time it was broadcast the thing wasn't funny. In fact it was painful to watch. Royale was boring, Shades of Grey is a clip show, and Threshold is stupid but at no point did I wince during them as often as the "comedy" in this one.
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Re: SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Tue May 17, 2011 8:43 pm

I dunno. Yes, the jokes fell flat but I didn't feel overly insulted by it. And Data trying humor was kinda interesting.
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Re: SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby Captain Seafort » Tue May 17, 2011 8:55 pm

Indeed. It was bad, certainly, but no worse than bog-standard bad.
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Re: SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby Deepcrush » Wed May 18, 2011 1:17 am

I remember watching this ep as a kid thinking that it must be adult humor because as an elementary schooler... I changed the channel to Married with Children.
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Re: SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby Mikey » Wed May 18, 2011 10:46 am

Yes, this was both bad and trite... but nowhere near the depths of badness which entombed eps like "Threshold, Shades of Grey," et.al. And the Okona - Pulaski comparison is way off. Methinks C. S. is still bitter over the CBS/Youtube decision.
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Re: SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby Graham Kennedy » Wed May 18, 2011 12:03 pm

Tyyr wrote:I think it can be understood. While Threshold, Royale, Shades of Grey etc. tried to tell a story and it sucked for one reason or another Okana was supposed to be carried by the comedy and even at the time it was broadcast the thing wasn't funny. In fact it was painful to watch. Royale was boring, Shades of Grey is a clip show, and Threshold is stupid but at no point did I wince during them as often as the "comedy" in this one.

Maybe that's the difference... I never looked at it as an episode that was meant to be carried by the comedy. To me this was an episode meant to be about what is funny, not an episode that was meant to be funny.

To my mind the story was about Data trying and failing to be human. The fact that it was comedy he was exploring was incidental. I liked the pathos of it - so often we are given a plotline where Data succeeds in mastering some aspect of his being human quest, I rather enjoyed seeing him reach a hard limit and have to admit failure. If anything, it's a tragedy not a comedy.

And in the other plot, it was about Picard having to deal with a situation where he's in a position of overwhelming strength, yet unable to use that strength. Kinda boring and silly, I thought.
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Re: SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Wed May 18, 2011 1:48 pm

Yeah, I rather liked Data's plot in this one.
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Re: SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby Mikey » Wed May 18, 2011 2:21 pm

Good points, GK. I never saw this as a comedic episode - rather, one in which comedy was a superficial aspect of the plot. The point of the Data subplot was, as you say, not the jokes but his effort in trying and failing to understand a facet of humanity.

The overarching plot was a hackneyed (and poorly done) rehash of the old R&J theme, which made the ep bad but not "Threshold" depths of abysmal.
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Re: SFDebris The Outrageous Okona

Postby McAvoy » Wed May 18, 2011 3:43 pm

Deepcrush wrote:I remember watching this ep as a kid thinking that it must be adult humor because as an elementary schooler... I changed the channel to Married with Children.


Ahhh... yes Married with Children. I still find it amusing.

Never liked the episode and definitely ranks on the bottom ten IMO.
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