Do Starfleet ships have AI ?

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Do Starfleet ships have AI ?

Postby LaughingCheese » Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:38 pm

Starfleet computers have always been presented as the traditional dumb computers.

Its really kind of stupid that Starfleet hasn't been shown to incorporate artificial intelligence, it would make heavy automation of ship systems much easier.

Realistically, there should be a minimum amount of crew on board with most systems automated, even in 23rd century starships.

I mean, we're already racing toward real AI computers, you'd think by the 23rd or 24th centuries Starfleet would have Halo-like AI's.
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Re: Do Starfleet shis have AI ?

Postby Captain Seafort » Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:47 pm

They clearly have the technology to produce AI, as Data and the Doctor demonstrate, so the distinct lack of them in starship main computers must be doctrinal. Probably because they don't want to run the risk of ending up with the thing singing Daisy.
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Re: Do Starfleet shis have AI ?

Postby LaughingCheese » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:03 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:They clearly have the technology to produce AI, as Data and the Doctor demonstrate, so the distinct lack of them in starship main computers must be doctrinal. Probably because they don't want to run the risk of ending up with the thing singing Daisy.


Yeah, the crew gets driven insane by so many things already, they don't need a vital ship component being the cause ! :mrgreen:
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Re: Do Starfleet shis have AI ?

Postby Tyyr » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:05 pm

That actually describes about 25% of all Trek episodes.
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Re: Do Starfleet shis have AI ?

Postby Mikey » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:51 pm

I assume that there was some sort of Butlerian bias at least since the M-5 debacle.

However, we've seen all sorts of inadvertent AI in TNG: exocomps, the E-D trying to spawn, etc.; not to mention the AI which the Cardassians had in the dreadnought weapon despite their supposed technological inferiotiry.
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Re: Do Starfleet ships have AI ?

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:41 pm

Too much trouble and potential for things to go pear-shaped, IMHO.
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Re: Do Starfleet ships have AI ?

Postby USSEnterprise » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:11 am

Wasn't the Prometheus able to operate with two clueless holograms in control? That would seem to imply SOME level of automation...
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Re: Do Starfleet ships have AI ?

Postby Mikey » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:06 am

USSEnterprise wrote:Wasn't the Prometheus able to operate with two clueless holograms in control? That would seem to imply SOME level of automation...


The key point there is that the holograms were in command - we already know that the EMH programs have a degree of AI.
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Re: Do Starfleet ships have AI ?

Postby LaughingCheese » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:49 am

Mikey wrote:
USSEnterprise wrote:Wasn't the Prometheus able to operate with two clueless holograms in control? That would seem to imply SOME level of automation...


The key point there is that the holograms were in command - we already know that the EMH programs have a degree of AI.


Of course !

Why didn't I think of that ? EMH's obviously have highly advanced AI's, so I guess the answer is yes. :P
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Re: Do Starfleet ships have AI ?

Postby Mikey » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:37 pm

LaughingCheese wrote:
Mikey wrote:
USSEnterprise wrote:Wasn't the Prometheus able to operate with two clueless holograms in control? That would seem to imply SOME level of automation...


The key point there is that the holograms were in command - we already know that the EMH programs have a degree of AI.


Of course !

Why didn't I think of that ? EMH's obviously have highly advanced AI's, so I guess the answer is yes. :P


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Captain Seafort wrote:They clearly have the technology to produce AI, as Data and the Doctor demonstrate, so the distinct lack of them in starship main computers must be doctrinal. Probably because they don't want to run the risk of ending up with the thing singing Daisy.
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Re: Do Starfleet ships have AI ?

Postby Mark » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:45 pm

Don't forget, Data or the Doctor going badshit because of some glitch is bad. Can you imagine what happens if a ships AI were to have such a problem? What kind of damage could a "crazy" E-D do with its weapons?
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Re: Do Starfleet ships have AI ?

Postby Captain Seafort » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:03 pm

Mark wrote:Can you imagine what happens if a ships AI were to have such a problem?


Yep

What kind of damage could a "crazy" E-D do with its weapons?


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Re: Do Starfleet ships have AI ?

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:47 pm

Precisely. This is one area not pursing this bit of tech is a good idea.
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Re: Do Starfleet ships have AI ?

Postby Atekimogus » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:12 pm

Mark wrote:What kind of damage could a "crazy" E-D do with its weapons?


I imagine she could easily destroy an eighty year old D12 Bird of Prey. :mrgreen:
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Re: Do Starfleet ships have AI ?

Postby Mark » Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:58 pm

Or eradicate a planetary civilization before running out of ammo :lol:
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