UFP-Klingon War!

[Tyyr]

Kirk had the Klingon who ordered his son's murder hanging off a ledge, and he still offered the guy his hand. Many people in his place would have put the boot in straight away.

I know I would have or I might have pulled him up, just to push him off myself.

[Deepcrush]

Kirk was a true soldier. He never backed down from a fight he knew was right. He never started a fight when he knew he didn't have to. And most of all, he knew when it was time for the fighting to end.

[Nickswitz]

Yes, and he knew once his shirt tore, it was kickass time

[Tsukiyumi]

Yes, and he knew once his shirt tore, it was kickass time

Yep.

[RK_Striker_JK_5]

Yes, and he knew once his shirt tore, it was kickass time

Yep.

Man, my glasses must be bad. Can't read it!

[Granitehewer]

Kirk was awesome, fight it, nob it or eat it!
ps hey jason

[Mark]

Kirks shirt tears = Dr. Banners eyes turn color

Both increase the oh shit factor by ten, and for the bad guys, the pucker factor by 20.

[dagadget]

Too many Admirals for a lowly MCPO to argue with... It would sure be neat to know more about this war...what precipitated it, the casualties, how peace was established...

yes indeed it would be nice. I suspect it was a minor short war much like what happened before the dominion War But it was a war just the same.

[Mark]

Likely what we of today would label a "conflict".

[Mikey]

A "police action," perhaps?

Oh, wait - no French to bail out of their colonial difficulties. Never mind.

[Deepcrush]

Was it me or did Worf take it personally when Q brought it up? How bad did things go for the KDF if three generations later they're still sore over it?

[kostmayer]

Kirk was a true soldier. He never backed down from a fight he knew was right. He never started a fight when he knew he didn't have to. And most of all, he knew when it was time for the fighting to end.

Aye, I rewatched The Undiscovered Country this week. Kirk overcoming his prejudices and the death of his son was one of his greatest moments IMO. He had more reason then most to hate the Klingons, but was big enough to admit he was wrong about Gorkon. He then fought to usher in a new era, an era which men like him had no real part of. Meanwhile, Admirals, Ambassadors, and even Vulcan's turned their back on Starfleets ideals out of fear of change.

As to a Federation - Klingon war. Why was the war going so badly for the Federation in the alternative timeline in Yesterdays Enterprise? The Federation seemed able to its own against the Klingons previously.

[Deepcrush]

As to a Federation - Klingon war. Why was the war going so badly for the Federation in the alternative timeline in Yesterdays Enterprise? The Federation seemed able to its own against the Klingons previously.

Safe bet is that the war in YE was long enough after the Praxis problem that they recovered. The UFP-KE war must have happened shortly after ST-VI. The Starfleet was still the tough guy on the block, and the KE was on the bends.

[Sionnach Glic]

Or perhaps in an alternative timeline where the Praxis incident never occurred.

Was it me or did Worf take it personally when Q brought it up? How bad did things go for the KDF if three generations later they're still sore over it?

The Klingons seem like to type to hold a grudge.

[Captain Seafort]

Or perhaps in an alternative timeline where the Praxis incident never occurred.

No, the war was caused (or at least not averted) by the disappearance of the E-C at Narendra III - it's likely that the Klingons had recovered, given that the Narendra III incident occurred over half a century after the Praxis incident. Moreover, it was probably also long enough for the Feds to have already changed from Kirk's militarily prepared era to the TNG+ era of gross incompetence.