Galaxy-Class (Dominion War Refit) Vs. Galaxy Class

[Atekimogus]

Since those topics are popping up everywhere might as well ask:

WAR-GCS vs Galaxy

Who would win (okay, pretty obvious) and what is actually the confirmed difference between them. Are two additional phaserstripes on the nacelles really that much of an advantage? What about sensor power, ECM, ECCM etc. wouldn't a stock GCS have a slight advantage compared to an near empty WAR-GCS?

[Bryan Moore]

Check Graham's ratings, as thats pretty much what we go by.

[Graham Kennedy]

The basis for my take on it was a talk with Rick Sternback (no he's not a friend or anything. He used to have a newsgroup for tech talk years ago.)

He said that the war GCS was fitted with two extra arrays, more powerful warp core, and next generation sensors. In addition they were built and launched with no scientific labs, diplomatic facilities, etc. That meant much of the hull was empty - Sternback said in the TNG TM that up to a third of a pre war GCS was empty hull left for refits and upgrades, so the war models were easily half empty or more. He did suggest that where available some of the empty space was being stacked with extra shield generators and such.

[Mikey]

They also appeared to have some armor.

[Bryan Moore]

Well then, there we go =)

[Deepcrush]

That and they took a beating that we've never seen a GCS take before. Other then the YE/E-D.

[Sionnach Glic]

They also didn't explode everytime someone said something mean about them, which is a nice improvement.

So yeah, War GCS all the way.

[Atekimogus]

Well I checked Graham's rating and altough I am not sure how exactly you scaled those numbers a few things stood out for me.

The upgraded version is actually heavier than the basic one, shouldn't it have less mass considering that it is not "filled out"?
My first thought would be more mass due to boosted armour but the armour rating and description did not change. So that left shieldsystems and the two phaser stripes which seems a bit excessive imho. If they crammed a half empty ship the size of the GCS with shield emitters I would expect...well not sure..better ratings.

As a side note, isnt the GCS supposed to have 3x torpedo tubes? I know we never see the third one but still..

All in all, still lower ratings then a Defiant, I am not sure what to think of that .

[Sionnach Glic]

The third one is only mentioned in the TM, IIRC. Which is not canon. If we don't see it in action, then it doesn't exist.

[Captain Seafort]

The extra armour also covers the separation plane, which would make the third torp launcher unusable anyway.

[Atekimogus]

The third one is only mentioned in the TM, IIRC. Which is not canon. If we don't see it in action, then it doesn't exist.

True, but I was refering to the entry on the galaxy on ditl.org. When you look at the number of torpedo tubes it even makes a reference to the TNG TM so I thougt this might just be a small error, no offense intended.

[Teaos]

The extra arrays provide slightly better coverage and since the ships arent exactly agile that is a big advantage. Although the pahsers would most likely be the same power, maybe slightly more but not much.

Would the drop in weight due to the reduced internal space used provide a speed/agility boost?

[Sionnach Glic]

Yeah, that'd make sense.

[Mikey]

It would almost have to - if not, there really wouldn't be any reason to build them that way.

[Praeothmin]

since the ships arent exactly agile that is a big advantage

Although two of the DWGCS did a pretty good "flyby" in the DW on a Galor, so they obviously have improved agility, probably due to their lower mass or more powerful cores...