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Sorry for flogging a dead horse, but it just keeps bugging me: how does that damn yacht / torpedo launcher combo work on the Sovereign?

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The torpedo launcher is located right on the separation line, so it seems that you'd have to have an angled tube, with torpedoes launching at maybe a 25° downward angle relative to the ship. (And even at that, I'm still skeptical of how you could fit the launcher assembly so close to the yacht's hull.) How would that work?
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Lazar wrote:Sorry for flogging a dead horse, but it just keeps bugging me: how does that damn yacht / torpedo launcher combo work on the Sovereign?

The torpedo launcher is located right on the separation line, so it seems that you'd have to have an angled tube, with torpedoes launching at maybe a 25° downward angle relative to the ship. (And even at that, I'm still skeptical of how you could fit the launcher assembly so close to the yacht's hull.) How would that work?
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We've had a couple of threads on this subject before, I think. IIRC, the conlcusion we reached is that the tube is probably loaded from the top down, with just the tube being present in that location, and the rest of the equipment being in the ship itself.
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How long is a torpedo tube, though? Considering that the second screenshot shows that part of the yacht lies above the separation line and "inside" the main ship, there would hardly seem to be any space for the tubes regardless of how they are loaded. Maybe they just drop them into that slot and the torps are basically instantly launched by some directed energy charge without any real length of tube (the torp's own guidance systems taking over)? If it's a stretch it would seem to be what the pictures demand.
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Burst fire tubes would need to be at least as long a torpedo x the amount of torpedoes it fires in a burst. Probably plus so space between them. Minimum.
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FWIW, I found this picture on DITL:

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It gives a better view of the internal layout.
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Technicaly, a torp tube needn't be that long. The torp has its own engine, so it only really needs to be slightly longer than the torpedo itself.
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Teaos wrote:Burst fire tubes would need to be at least as long a torpedo x the amount of torpedoes it fires in a burst. Probably plus so space between them. Minimum.
Not necessarily. The torpedoes might be fed in at right-angles to the direction of launch, in the same way as modern automatic weapons.
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Bullpup feeds? Not sure I like that idea when loading warheads in rapid fashion.
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They should have (should, in trek, NO!!!) just skipped on building the yacht.
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IIRC, the launcher in question that supposedly interfered with the yacht was a "turret," although it seemed in FC to act more like a revolver than an actual turret. If it did in fact operate six-shooter style, then it could easily have a drop-down loader rather than a linear one.
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No matter how advanced they get, it still comes down to a guy with a six shooter... :laughroll:
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They might have been better off. A skilled pistolier with a handful of speed-loaders could've held that bottleneck at AR-558...
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