but this raises the question, just what are the "life signs" the ship detects and how are they sensed? As for why the above aren't simply tracked... one more bit of SF idiocy brings us to - Graham? Seafort? What's the official count? 
Right; I'm asking, "why not?" Following my other recent post in the General forum on Trek computers, shouldn't the computer be smart enough to recognize that there's something there that is hot but that isn't electrically active? The sensors can pick up so much that detecting a massive object and sensing heat should be no problem, so the idea that there are no sensors for these things isn't believable.Cpl Kendall wrote:The short and simple answer is that the E-D's internal sensors aren''t designed to pick up any of that. And he spent a good amount of time crawling through the ductwork and IIRC he blew up or otherwise sabotaged her systems while doing so.
Why is it unbelievable?Captain Picard's Hair wrote:
Right; I'm asking, "why not?" Following my other recent post in the General forum on Trek computers, shouldn't the computer be smart enough to recognize that there's something there that is hot but that isn't electrically active? The sensors can pick up so much that detecting a massive object and sensing heat should be no problem, so the idea that there are no sensors for these things isn't believable.
Heat, for one thing, is so simple to detect it's silly - even today it's a breeze to make infrared pictures. In light of how much else they can detect, I'd find it very odd if they couldn't detect something as simple as heat. Besides, it's a matter of security - not to mention a critical part of the environment. The fact they have fire suppression systems that have been observed on screen implies that they must have heat sensors to detect fires too; it'd be a simple matter to make them tunable if you're already installing environmental and fire detectors.Cpl Kendall wrote:Why is it unbelievable?Captain Picard's Hair wrote:
Right; I'm asking, "why not?" Following my other recent post in the General forum on Trek computers, shouldn't the computer be smart enough to recognize that there's something there that is hot but that isn't electrically active? The sensors can pick up so much that detecting a massive object and sensing heat should be no problem, so the idea that there are no sensors for these things isn't believable.
Yes it is possible, though a fire detector is a little more simple then an IR camera but that doesn't mean there was ever a requirement to have such things on the ship.Captain Picard's Hair wrote:
Heat, for one thing, is so simple to detect it's silly - even today it's a breeze to make infrared pictures. In light of how much else they can detect, I'd find it very odd if they couldn't detect something as simple as heat. Besides, it's a matter of security - not to mention a critical part of the environment. The fact they have fire suppression systems that have been observed on screen implies that they must have heat sensors to detect fires too; it'd be a simple matter to make them tunable if you're already installing environmental and fire detectors.
Why? Because to be believable, we would need to believe that SOP on the state-of-the-art UFP flagship is to have internal sensors to detect an organisms relatively tiny bio-electric field, but not crazy stuff like heat, mass, etc.Cpl Kendall wrote:Why is it unbelievable?Captain Picard's Hair wrote:
Right; I'm asking, "why not?" Following my other recent post in the General forum on Trek computers, shouldn't the computer be smart enough to recognize that there's something there that is hot but that isn't electrically active? The sensors can pick up so much that detecting a massive object and sensing heat should be no problem, so the idea that there are no sensors for these things isn't believable.
Given how much 'fun' he was causing the bridge, if they didn't think of that, they were morons.Rochey wrote:I don't find it too unbelievable. Detecting stuff on board might not be one of the standard tasks of the ship's computer, thus requiring a crewman to specificaly order it to start scanning the ship's insides.
You can never rule out blatant stupidity as an option when dealing with Starfleet.Given how much 'fun' he was causing the bridge, if they didn't think of that, they were morons.
Aye, dumb on so many different levels.Not only that, but look how much room there was in those Jeffries 'tubes'. Roga Danar was able to walk around in one easily, none of this crawling nonsense we usually see. I could also comment on the computer security, where Danar had the knocked out guy tap his own comm badge, and Danar ordered the computer to shut down the forcefields. It at least raised an alert on the bridge, but the fact that the computer accepts unknown voices and gives them command access is a bad sign.
Presumably he got them from the computer. It's not like anyone ever has any trouble breaking into UFP computers.Plus the way that all external sensors went through one junction box (primary and backup) is rather annoying. That is the other problem - how did Danar manage to get full schematics of the Ent-D to know where to cripple the ship with as little effort as possible?
