The 300(ish) metre klingon bird of prey

[Lazar]

.....and even with suspension of disbelief, you shouldn't see large birds of prey onscreen and imagine them to be k'tingas, as i am sure i read earlier.

That was me, and I wrote it because I think that's less absurd than positing a gigantic, identical looking scale-up of a scout / escort vessel, but to each his own.

[Mikey]

Again (and again and again...) the difference is obviously due in any case to either a) an FX gaffe, or b) the re-use of a model for a different scenario because of budgetary or time constraints. We all know that. However, the whole point of this debate (and most like it) is to discuss these things from an IU perspective. Responding to this with the idea that "they are really the same size, it was just an FX goof" doesn't address any of the points to which it responds.

If you choose to watch the show without subscribing to SoD, that's your option; it really isn't an answer in a debate concerning IU explanations, though.

[Lazar]

Well I guess that's my problem then - I've always felt the need to change some things just as a precondition for being able to enjoy the show. I mean, I see an absurdly large scout ship that's supposed to be a cruiser, and my method is either a) pretend that they got the scaling wrong and it really is a proper scout (i.e. a movie-style BOP), or b) pretend that they got the model wrong and it really is a proper cruiser (i.e. a K'T'Inga). If having an IU debate means accepting as non-negotiable the notion that there are gigantic BOP scale-ups and then trying to explain them away (which, coincidentally, leaves us with essentially nothing to debate), then I think it's entered the realm of the absurd and in that case I'm not interested.

[Granitehewer]

well the debate was an IU SoD debate as to the capabilities of the vessels seen as 300m+ and classed as cruisers/battlecruisers, but if you want to do parallel threads from an out-universe perspective we can but after the usual trough of excuses; budget/time/technological limitations it'll be the same few arguments for a plethora of topics....

[Lazar]

Well I'm not bashing all IU debates, it's just that some of them (like this one) seem to require, from the start, the acceptance of an absurd premise that I'm just not willing to accept. A debate over comparative ship abilities would be fine, but a debate over "how do we explain away the mind-numbing inconsistencies of these crazy people without any kind of canonical flexibility" just isn't my cup of tea. And yes, I'm aware that we did stray a bit from your original topic.

[Reliant121]

Dude...this is sci-fi. Its, relatively speaking, absurd in the first place.

[Granitehewer]

stray away stray away!
But reliant is correct, when discussing the fantastical, absurdity does tend to crop up alot
I actually had a really stupid reason for this topic but that shall remain hush hush to preserve my failing dignity lol

[Reliant121]

stray away stray away!
But reliant is correct, when discussing the fantastical, absurdity does tend to crop up alot
I actually had a really stupid reason for this topic but that shall remain hush hush to preserve my failing dignity lol

Who needs dignity?

[Deepcrush]

Dude, he lives in Jersey. He needs every scratch he can get.

[Captain Seafort]

He does? I thought granite was in the States.

[Granitehewer]

jersey? I'm not a potato picker!
I'm a mainland englishman, from as the londoners would say ''aaap norf''

[Granitehewer]

screw it!
ok here it goes, am ready for the laughs and rotten vegetables to be hurled, am an avid sculptor and wargamer and had a petty fallout over k'vorts when reenacting ''yesterdays' enterprise'' now shush! :-p

[Deepcrush]

Oh, sorry, I thought that was Mikey...

England, Jersey, its all the same.

[Granitehewer]

well we have alot of synagogues......

[Mikey]

Pete - there's no shame in that at all.

Deep - I'm from New Jersey, Granitehewer is from England proper, and AFAIK we don't have anyone on the board from the Isle of Jersey.

England, Jersey, its all the same.

We have many more unmarked graves... and always room for one more.