Uniform fashion sense
- Captain Seafort
- 4 Star Admiral
- Posts: 15548
- Joined: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:44 pm
- Location: Blighty
Re: Uniform fashion sense
Combat kit should certainly, but the main purpose of naval uniforms is to make the wearer look smart, and thereby to foster a sense of pride and esprit de corps. Note that when combat kit was required, they changed into the warmer duffel-type jackets from ST II, or far more utilitarian trousers and pullover in ST V.
Only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe: Albert Einstein.
- Reliant121
- 3 Star Admiral
- Posts: 12263
- Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:00 pm
Re: Uniform fashion sense
Without doubt the ST II-ST IV uniform get my favourite. I would accept the FC-NEM uniform as a compromise though
-
- 4 Star Admiral
- Posts: 26014
- Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:58 pm
- Location: Poblacht na hÉireann, Baile Átha Cliath
Re: Uniform fashion sense
They don't restrict movement. Not as far as we've seen.They are to bulky and cumbersome in my opinion, uniforms should never restrict movement
And while they may take longer to get dressed in than other era's uniforms, I'd hardly call them bulky or cumbersome.
Why would a naval officer, whose roll is to stand on a starship far from the enemy, need camo or body armour?and should always provide some sort of benifit (camo, carrying stuff, protection) something these uniforms had nothing of.
As for carrying stuff, they probably had pockets.
The purpose of naval uniforms, as Seafort point out, is to look snappy. ST2 era uniforms acomplished that nicely.
"You've all been selected for this mission because you each have a special skill. Professor Hawking, John Leslie, Phil Neville, the Wu-Tang Clan, Usher, the Sugar Puffs Monster and Daniel Day-Lewis! Welcome to Operation MindFuck!"
Re: Uniform fashion sense
They had a sense of pride about them. But I hated the casual look when they opened that front flap.
They say that in the Army,
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
- Teaos
- 4 Star Admiral
- Posts: 15368
- Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:00 am
- Commendations: The Daystrom Award
- Location: Behind you!
Re: Uniform fashion sense
Not restrict movement? With those belts acorss them and thick coat it would restrict movement. Not a huge amount but its not something you could run around in easily.Rochey wrote:They don't restrict movement. Not as far as we've seen.They are to bulky and cumbersome in my opinion, uniforms should never restrict movement
And while they may take longer to get dressed in than other era's uniforms, I'd hardly call them bulky or cumbersome.
Why would a naval officer, whose roll is to stand on a starship far from the enemy, need camo or body armour?and should always provide some sort of benifit (camo, carrying stuff, protection) something these uniforms had nothing of.
As for carrying stuff, they probably had pockets.
The purpose of naval uniforms, as Seafort point out, is to look snappy. ST2 era uniforms acomplished that nicely.
And why not have a funtioning uniform over one that just looks good? Let it serve a purpose, you can also make it look good while being practicle. They have dress uniforms for when they need to look tidy.
What does defeat mean to you?
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
- Captain Seafort
- 4 Star Admiral
- Posts: 15548
- Joined: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:44 pm
- Location: Blighty
Re: Uniform fashion sense
To look good is the primary function of the uniform - they're naval officers, not soldiers.Teaos wrote:Not restrict movement? With those belts acorss them and thick coat it would restrict movement. Not a huge amount but its not something you could run around in easily.
And why not have a funtioning uniform over one that just looks good? Let it serve a purpose, you can also make it look good while being practicle. They have dress uniforms for when they need to look tidy.
Only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe: Albert Einstein.
-
- 4 Star Admiral
- Posts: 21747
- Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:38 pm
- Location: Forward Torpedo Tube Twenty. Help!
- Contact:
Re: Uniform fashion sense
That would explain their awful battle tactics.Captain Seafort wrote:...they're naval officers, not soldiers.
There is only one way of avoiding the war – that is the overthrow of this society. However, as we are too weak for this task, the war is inevitable. -L. Trotsky, 1939
- Teaos
- 4 Star Admiral
- Posts: 15368
- Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:00 am
- Commendations: The Daystrom Award
- Location: Behind you!
Re: Uniform fashion sense
Cant they have a dress uniform to look good and a normal uniform to work in?Captain Seafort wrote:To look good is the primary function of the uniform - they're naval officers, not soldiers.Teaos wrote:Not restrict movement? With those belts acorss them and thick coat it would restrict movement. Not a huge amount but its not something you could run around in easily.
And why not have a funtioning uniform over one that just looks good? Let it serve a purpose, you can also make it look good while being practicle. They have dress uniforms for when they need to look tidy.
What does defeat mean to you?
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
-
- 4 Star Admiral
- Posts: 26014
- Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:58 pm
- Location: Poblacht na hÉireann, Baile Átha Cliath
Re: Uniform fashion sense
And why does a naval officer need to run around? Their job is to stay on the bridge and direct operations from there. Running is not required.Not restrict movement? With those belts acorss them and thick coat it would restrict movement. Not a huge amount but its not something you could run around in easily.
What's the point? The current uniform allows them to work fine, while still looking nice.And why not have a funtioning uniform over one that just looks good? Let it serve a purpose, you can also make it look good while being practicle. They have dress uniforms for when they need to look tidy.
"You've all been selected for this mission because you each have a special skill. Professor Hawking, John Leslie, Phil Neville, the Wu-Tang Clan, Usher, the Sugar Puffs Monster and Daniel Day-Lewis! Welcome to Operation MindFuck!"
- Teaos
- 4 Star Admiral
- Posts: 15368
- Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:00 am
- Commendations: The Daystrom Award
- Location: Behind you!
Re: Uniform fashion sense
Why do they need to look nice? Or more to the point why cant they look nice in uniforms that dont restrict movement.
And they didnt just stay on the bridge, they wore these uniforms everywhere, including away mission that may require a high degree of mobility.
And they didnt just stay on the bridge, they wore these uniforms everywhere, including away mission that may require a high degree of mobility.
What does defeat mean to you?
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
-
- 4 Star Admiral
- Posts: 21747
- Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:38 pm
- Location: Forward Torpedo Tube Twenty. Help!
- Contact:
Re: Uniform fashion sense
Yeah, I can't stand tight pants for that exact reason.Teaos wrote:...why cant they look nice in uniforms that dont restrict movement...
There is only one way of avoiding the war – that is the overthrow of this society. However, as we are too weak for this task, the war is inevitable. -L. Trotsky, 1939
- Reliant121
- 3 Star Admiral
- Posts: 12263
- Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:00 pm
Re: Uniform fashion sense
The whole point is there SHOULD have been two uniforms. Uniform A for on board ship, and at diplomatic meetings w/e. Looks good.
Uniform B for going into hostile or dangerous situations, IE Away missions. Practical.
Uniform B for going into hostile or dangerous situations, IE Away missions. Practical.
-
- Fleet Admiral
- Posts: 35635
- Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:04 am
- Commendations: The Daystrom Award
- Location: down the shore, New Jersey, USA
- Contact:
Re: Uniform fashion sense
They DID seem to have a couple of duty alternates - the fatigues/mechanic sweater that Seafort mentioned from STV (which I thought was great,) the cargo jackets from STII, the bomber-style alternate jackets from STIII-IV, and a duty fatigue/coverall seen on some security and engineering personnel.Teaos wrote:Cant they have a dress uniform to look good and a normal uniform to work in?
Asking why they usually wore the more formal unis when on standard bridge or command duty is like asking why Admiral Nimitz or General MacArthur wore neckties.
I can't stand nothing dull
I got the high gloss luster
I'll massacre your ass as fast
as Bull offed Custer
I got the high gloss luster
I'll massacre your ass as fast
as Bull offed Custer