Theoretical question.

Reliant121 · Post by **Reliant121** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:26 pm

Just posing a question. If we pose 2 theoretical positions..

Federation at war with the Romulan Star empire.

Federation at war with Klingon Empire.

Which one would be more costly? The klingons have higher ferocity and higher numbers but if the Romulan's actually get into a fight they have a decided advantage in superior tactics...so which would inflict the most damage?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:43 pm

Back to the old avatar?

Well, firstly, the correct term is "hypothetical", rather than "theoretical".

Secondly, the Klingons would easily cause more damage, and could even come close to bringing down the Federation, depending on when the war breaks out.
The Klingons have larger territory, greater industrial capacity, a larger fleet, more combat-orientated and better designed vessels and a lot of experience in warfare. The Romulan D'Derix has proven to be inferior to a Galaxy class starship. I dread to think what kind of havoc an Akira or, gods forbid, a Sovereign would wreak on the Romulans.

mlsnoopy · Post by **mlsnoopy** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:04 pm

The Klingons would probably fight to the last man. So expecte huge casulties. where as the Romulans would surrender as soon as they would realize that they would lose.

mlsnoopy · Post by **mlsnoopy** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:05 pm

The Klingons would probably fight to the last man. So expecte huge casulties. where as the Romulans would surrender as soon as they would realize that they would lose.

Post by **Graham Kennedy** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:06 pm

Don't forget that as of the 2340s the Klingon Empire was in a position where they could actually take on the Federation and win the war (Yesterday's Enterprise). Somehow I can't see the Romulans as that kind of threat. And while the relative balance of power may well have changed over the following decades, I can't imagine the Romulans made that much progress that fast.

Reliant121 · Post by **Reliant121** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:09 pm

Interesting....And thank you Rochey

and yes i am back to old avatar...the Sharlin was getting annoyingly blue

Post by **Mikey** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:57 pm

I have to agree, and add tht in ship-to-ship or fleet actions the Klingons have exhibited fine tactical abilities, at least as much as the Romulans. It's only in personal combat that they take the "run forward until somebody shoots you" approach.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:51 pm

Personally, I think the Romulan's reputation for cloak and dagger work is far overrated. Just what have we seen them do? And weren't the Tal Shiar tricked into attacking a decoy of the Founder's homeworld?

Blackstar the Chakat · Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:57 pm

Well, The Romulans do have the Scimitar-class ship design at their desposal. It had the E-E against the ropes and barely had a scratch on it when Shinzon decided to be an idiot.

The Klingons tend to run at people until they get shot, and even the Federation is smarter then that. Most of the time at least.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:01 pm

Well, The Romulans do have the Scimitar-class ship design at their desposal. It had the E-E against the ropes and barely had a scratch on it when Shinzon decided to be an idiot.

True, though the resources require to build that thing must have been immense. At best, they'd probably only be able to field a handful of them, and that's if they disregard building other ships almost completely, which would get picked off one by one by Federation fleets.

The Klingons tend to run at people until they get shot, and even the Federation is smarter then that. Most of the time at least.

In ground combat? Yes.
In space combat? Nope.

stitch626 · Post by **stitch626** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:02 pm

Do the Romulans have the capabilities to make another Scimitar?
Do they even have the designs of it? It was made by Remans.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:04 pm

Quite a good point. The plans to it may well have been lost when the Scimitar went up.
The problems with building these things I already pointed out.

stitch626 · Post by **stitch626** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:06 pm

Sorry, I was typing when you posted.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:09 pm

No problem.

Though it's a major point, and deserves to be hammered in again.

Blackstar the Chakat · Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:18 pm

stitch626 wrote:Do the Romulans have the capabilities to make another Scimitar?
Do they even have the designs of it? It was made by Remans.

No it wasn't. That's silly. How could a species that was basically enslaved by the Romulans suddenly build one of the most powerful ships in the Alpha Quadrent? It was probably built by the Romulans, and then Shinzon took it as his flagship when he overthrew the government.

And while the Scimitar's are expensive they may be worth it. Their sheilds were nocked down only 30% when the E-E ramed the Scimitar. So it would take about 3 or 4 times as much fire power to take down the sheilds, and even then you're assuming they've already knocked out the cloak.

The Scimitar could sneak in under cloak and do some severe damage without decloaking. In the right hands, a handful of these ships could wipe out entire fleets and take minimal damage. Just keep clones away from them.