The appeal of the old over the new.

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Re: The appeal of the old over the new.

Postby McAvoy » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:59 pm

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GrahamKennedy wrote:The contrast with Tuvok always struck me. Tuvok, under his emotional control... was an asshole. Seriously, he was rude, arrogant, inflexible, and just basically a giant dick to everyone around him. And when he lost control it was always horror and death and violence.


He was facing the prospect of a lifetime stuck on the same ship as Neelix.



Good point.

Maybe Vulcans are assholes without emotions and perhaps that is why they need to repress them. Whereas Spock's human side makes him easier to control the asshole-y-ish behavior.
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Re: The appeal of the old over the new.

Postby Graham Kennedy » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:15 pm

That's kind of racist... :)
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Re: The appeal of the old over the new.

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:37 am

Captain Seafort wrote:
GrahamKennedy wrote:The contrast with Tuvok always struck me. Tuvok, under his emotional control... was an asshole. Seriously, he was rude, arrogant, inflexible, and just basically a giant dick to everyone around him. And when he lost control it was always horror and death and violence.


He was facing the prospect of a lifetime stuck on the same ship as Neelix.

Gods, I think anyone would snap under that... :twisted:
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Re: The appeal of the old over the new.

Postby Tyyr » Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:07 pm

I don't think anyone on the ship would have even blinked if Tuvok had just spaced Neelix. Hell, first episode after Kes leaves, "Well now that our elven nurse is out of here there's no more reason to tolerate your continued existence."

I think the writers in TOS had a better handle on what it meant to be a Vulcan. Not that they're emotion less, but that they're controlled. They have all the usual emotions, they just don't express them. Sure, there are some Vulcans who deep down inside are just assholes, but not all of them.
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Re: The appeal of the old over the new.

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:56 am

"Captain, I have committed murder. I must be confined to quarters for trial when we reach Federation space."

"Who was it?"

"Mister Neelix."

"Well... just don't do it again, all right? Back to your station, Mister Tuvok."
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Re: The appeal of the old over the new.

Postby Reliant121 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:43 pm

There have been Vulcan individuals who have displayed moral conscience and "good" thoughts inside them; T''Pol's mother, T'Pau, even the High Command leader that deposed V'Las for being a massive prick. Though broadly Vulcans do seem to have been "mishandled" in later TV and film series compared to the TOS versions.
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Re: The appeal of the old over the new.

Postby Graham Kennedy » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:44 pm

Reliant121 wrote:There have been Vulcan individuals who have displayed moral conscience and "good" thoughts inside them; T''Pol's mother, T'Pau, even the High Command leader that deposed V'Las for being a massive prick. Though broadly Vulcans do seem to have been "mishandled" in later TV and film series compared to the TOS versions.

Yeah, one of the nicer things that Manny Coto did was "rehabilitate" the Vulcans by having that whole three ep arc with the conclusion of "Hey, we should all stop being assholes after all!"
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Re: The appeal of the old over the new.

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:18 am

Well, not all Vulcans have been nice. T'Pring, after all, from 'Amok Time'. Or the separatist from that two-parter in TNG. But yeah, there's been a lot of good ones. Just not all of them. ;)
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