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Re: Spock almost a woman

Postby McAvoy » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:36 pm

Mikey wrote:Yep, Paris' older brother. He killed Patroclus when the latter went out to fight in Achilleus' armor; Patroclus' death is what roused Achilleus to get off his ass and go fight. Achilleus killed Hektor and then, still enraged, cut holes in Hektor's heels and dragged the body behind his chariot around the walls of Troy. When Priam came to beg Achilleus for Hektor's body, Achilleus relented and convinced the Greek army to stand down for seven days to allow the Trojans to collect firewood for a pyre and prepare a proper funeral.

In general, Hektor was a bugbear for the Greeks; IIRC, he stopped Diomedes' rampage through the Trojan lines and led the charge that pushed Aias back to the Greek ships.


It's one of the reasons why I liked Troy. It came close as possible for a Hollywood film.

Off hand, I do not remember if Hektor was considered almost as good as Achilles in the Illiad.

As to forgetting about TOS characters... anyone who watches Star Trek and posts on a Star Trek forum, should know who the main characters of TOS regardless if you barely watch it. It's not like anyone will expect you to know every single episode and each and every crewmember.

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Re: Spock almost a woman

Postby Mikey » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:13 am

McAvoy wrote:It's one of the reasons why I liked Troy. It came close as possible for a Hollywood film.


Except for completely missing the whole point of aristeia and a non-Western code of personal honor. Other than that, it was fair. :roll:

McAvoy wrote:Off hand, I do not remember if Hektor was considered almost as good as Achilles in the Illiad.


Homer seemed to be ambivalent about it. Even before Achilleus returned to battle, Hektor was repulsed by Diomedes and simply straight-up outmanned by (Telamonian) Aias, as well as derided by Sarpedon and several other potentates of the Trojans' allies. At the same time, the Greeks shit bricks at the sight of him and the Trojans (figuratively) ran and hid behind his legs when the Greeks were pressing their advantage. It is even implied that Achilleus only triumphed over Hektor with divinely-wrought arms and armor AND Athene sending Hektor's throw awry. He was also considered by the Trojans to be a sensitive soul and a doting husband and father - great qualities by our reckoning, but less important to a Hellenic audience for a semi-mythical fictional warrior. It's probably easiest to understand Hektor not so much as a character in his own right, but as a literary device designed to allow for both displays of individual bravery and prowess among the Greeks at the same time as an illustration of the Greek army's impotence without Achilleus.
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