SolkaTruesilver wrote:I already said the same thing to Deepcrush: Just because your environment makes it casual to throw insults and offensive comments around doesn't make it right. And just because the rules says nothing is against doesn't make it right too.
You're not coming into formal meeting or a business environment or anything of the sort. This is an internet forum. There is an established culture here, one in which my comments to you are rather mild,
by our standards. And our standards are the ones that matter. If you don't like it you are welcome to leave. However understand that you're one new guy coming into an established group of twenty or thirty who have already decided what the standards of conduct are going to be. Don't expect us to change to accommodate you.
Being insulting makes any kind of argument personnal and detrimental to the conservation, since you are attacking the arguer, not the argument. Why? Because the insutled parties start sticking to their side of the issue at all cost, regardless of wether they are right or not, just for the principle of things. Therefore, removing any point of the argument, where you are trying to convince the other party.
If you're twelve yes. If you're an adult you should be able to either ignore the insults, or at the least keep the rational portion of your brain engaged at all times. If you can't that's your problem.
I already lost my temper once on this website because of such attitude, and I don't want to be drawn again into another useless fece-throwing.
Then be an adult and don't. You have control of your actions. You weren't drawn, you decided to proceed down that path of your own accord. If you don't want to go down it than be an adult and DON'T.
Be abusive as much as you want,
I think I will.
and you aren't proven right just because I refuse to participate in further insults.
Why in the hell would I think that?
- Emergy situation. What does it have to do with the argument? Picard knew Data has gone berserk, and he had time to plan his strategy, very much in-character for Picard.
Because emergency situations typically require quick direct action. If someone told you that your child had been hospitalized because of an accident do you get in the car and then take the time to get your radio tuned right and your AC set just how you want it or do you haul ass and screw the little things? Picard taking the time to set up his music isn't the actions of a man responding to an emergency.
- It is not indicated that Picard improvised it either. Whatever "visuals" that you may perceived as "Picard thought it on the fly" is quite subjective, and can be interpreted in many ways. Maybe he had quite a good number of strategy in mind, and he set his mind on one at that very moment.
Well if we're going to just throw out the movie as evidence of anything I don't know how we're going to have a debate. You can stick to your fantasy land interpretation of what you want it to be and I guess I'll stick to mine. Personally I'd prefer to actually... you know, use the film as a basis of debate for what happens during the film.
In the movie Data is dodging all over the place making it impossible for them to dock. Picard pulls back, pauses, and thinks about it for a minute. He then gets an ah ha moment and leans over to the computer. He doesn't just hit, "Play HMS Pinafore," he takes a minute to look at a list, make a selection and go. None of this gives the impression of a pre-planned strategem. In fact having it be a pre-planned strategem only makes this series of events more ridiculous. If you've got a plan that could disable Data long enough to dock peacefully why risk both shuttles and three lives first before using it? Also, if we go with your belief that they're all computer programmers why didn't Picard just have one button at the console in front of him? Why not set up one big, "HMS Pinafore/Disable Data" button instead of leaning over and dicking around with the system?
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Impressive, you whine about wanting a coherent debate and then reduce a great deal of evidence and logic against your standpoint and reduce it to that. Careful, your hypocrisy is showing.
Even on a modern computer, a work computer, or anything, you can easily set any interface to "with this click, play this music and make one of my screen go into Karaoke mode". It doesn't take that much time on our own computers, I don't see why the shuttle Picard decided to pick for his mission couldn't have been programmed like that.
Reference my above arguement. If he did do that why didn't he have it set up that way. As a single button to push that would execute his sing-a-long and why didn't he do it first if he's going through this much pre-planning for his karaoke?
The LCARS interface itself might be dubious,
Might?
but I have no problem thinking that Starfleet officers are all trainer programmers who can redesign their interface based on their most common needs. Since they all know their own console set out personnally, for having programmed them, they all know intuitively how to use it. Hell, there is probably also "standardized" programming courses at the Academy to make sure that your officers keep the same basic design templates.
Facts not even a little bit in evidence. While I won't argue that they likely rearrange their work spaces to their suiting that doesn't explain the disaster that is every other console on the ship. Unless you're suggesting that these guys spend all this time reconfiguring every potential display in the system exactly how they want it and then memorize every single possible keystroke. Getting off track here.
When an officer takes a console, you usually see him tap a few things immediately on the screen. Maybe they are calling up the interface they already pre-programmed? Would make sense, if you accept my interpretation.
I accept that they likely can reconfigure their consoles. However your extreme claims that Picard naturally has the shuttle use a central display screen for his music. Which really makes little sense given that that, "Computer, play HMS Pinafore," is a perfectly valid way of calling up music in Trek and we've seen people use that method plenty of times. There's no good reason to burn a screen that could be displaying critical flight data.
Well, your "obvious reasons" why I am stupid aren't so obvious at all, since I can actually argue about it, and make good points regarding them.
No, first of all you're assuming quite a lot, and second of all you're ignoring what actually happens in the movie and loosely intepreting it to fit what you want it to mean rather than taking what is shown at face value.
Just because you think you are right about an opinion you made beforehand doesn't make people stupid. Stay civil, keep your cool, and just tell me what you think I got wrong.
Look, you said something incredibly stupid and you're still pushing it. I don't feel the need to nursemaid every dumb idea people put forth in contradiction to all logic and sense and I don't feel the need to coddle the idiots that put forth the stupid ideas either.
What you're suggesting boils down to Picard thinking long and hard about what he's going to do, then programming the shuttle (in a really pitiful way given that he needed two clicks and some scrolling to find his master plan) to carry this plan out. Then he ignores the plan and just tires to dock with someone who's already opened fire on them. Pauses, has to think back, "Oh yeah, I had this great idea about how to disable Data so I wouldn't have to do all that stupid shit I just did, lemme try that," and then executes his carefully thought out plan, after ignoring it and apparently forgetting it.
This is of course in counterpoint to my off the cuff suggestion of how a completely fucked up user interface might actually be able to work and explain how someone could have an idea in the middle of a fight and manage to pull up an obscure piece of music several centuries old at that moment with a pissant two button pushes.
Your suggestion is that Picard has the short term memory of Tommy Chong, mine is that Picard is capable of some serious lateral thinking. But no, keep telling me how your idea is the logical one.