Deepcrush wrote:The Russian military hasn't really changed over the last 60 years. Its still just one big joke.
Deepcrush wrote:By word of a USN guy I worked with, he used to joke about how loud their subs were.
The F-14 was a great MiG killer (retired now I know).
Their tanks, even in their tanks they were 20 years behind.
Captain Seafort wrote:Which generation are we talking about here? From what I've read, until the 688Is and Trafalgars started coming in Russian subs were as quiet if not quieter than western subs, thanks to hemisphere bows, sickle blades, etc.
Captain Seafort wrote:It would be pretty hard not to be when your missiles have 3-4 times the range of anything else in the air.
Captain Seafort wrote:They've tended to be a generation or so behind, but not so far as you imply, and certainly during the 70s after the US army missed its upgrade cycle thanks to Vietnam the T64 was ahead of the M60.
I'm not saying Soviet kit was the pinnacle of modern technology, but they were never more than a generation or so behind, it was famous for its reliability, and they had the numbers to overcome their limitations. It was certainly never "a joke".
Deepcrush wrote:Not sure when, he was an old timer. I'm guessing between the 60's and 80's.
Their tanks were easy prey to the TOWs. They were good when shooting but didn't take well to the reply.
stitch626 wrote:About the Russian military being a joke, specifically the F-14 vs. Mig...
Take the F-4 and a Mig of that period, and 9 times out of 10, Mig wins.
Does this mean that the US military is also a joke?
steamrunner wrote:The US military was a joke when it quit teaching dogfighting skills and armed the F-4 with air-to-air missiles only. Once the gunpod was introduced and got it's pilots the necessary dogfighting skills, that ratio took a dramatic shift in the opposite direction...
steamrunner wrote:Aw, Crush, I kinda like the F-4...she wasn't built to be a dogfighter.
She was originally designed to shoot down Soviet nuclear bombers with long-range air-to-air missiles. The joke was our short-sightedness in not having a better dogfighter. The kill ratio was closer to 4 than 6 - still damn good...
Especially since the RSE's BOP were not warp capable
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