What If: STVI

Captain Picard's Hair · Wed May 07, 2008 6:14 pm

What if Valeris had shot and killed Kirk and Spock? It was Spock who melded with Valeris to discover the conspiracy and who came up with the idea for the guided torpedo. It may have been Kirk's reputation that helped overcome the distrust between the Feds and Klingons when he embraced peace. It is possible that the assassination plot would have succeeded and war broken out had Valeris fired.

Reliant121 · Post by **Reliant121** » Wed May 07, 2008 6:30 pm

I suppose it is. had never really thought about it.

kostmayer · Post by **kostmayer** » Wed May 07, 2008 6:32 pm

War with the Klingons :- thats the kind of prequel series they should have done instead of Enterprise. Lots of large scale battles involving movie era ships and the Klingons, and set in an alternate universe, so no need to worry about Continuity too much

Would have been better with an Excelsior captained by Sulu though. With Tuvok, Rand and Christian Slater on board

Captain Picard's Hair · Wed May 07, 2008 6:38 pm

kostmayer wrote:It was also Spock who came up with the idea of modifying a torpedo to detect the cloaked Bird of Prey. Even if the Enterprise and Excelsior had gone to Khitomer the Bird of Prey would probably have destroyed them both.

I said that...

It was Spock who melded with Valeris to discover the conspiracy and who came up with the idea for the guided torpedo.

kostmayer · Post by **kostmayer** » Wed May 07, 2008 6:59 pm

Sorry, didn't read the second part

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Wed May 07, 2008 7:36 pm

It's a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaKKKEEE!

Captain Picard's Hair · Wed May 07, 2008 7:50 pm

Is there any canon evidence in the movie as to where she got the phaser from?

Presumably, since this was a setup, there would have been safeguards unknown to us (since we only saw the end of the whole thing) to prevent what I'm talking about - but this is an inherently risky game. Can we suppose for the sake of argument that Valeris got into sickbay with a real phaser?

kostmayer · Post by **kostmayer** » Wed May 07, 2008 8:05 pm

The Enterprise D had the ability to disable Phasers and over devices, not sure if the Enterprise A had the same abitilty. I suppose if the Phasers were designed so that they could be disabled remotely..

She presumably already had access to a Phaser, she offed the 2 Yeomans with one. And all the kitchens have them - presumably for defrosting turkeys.

I don't see how they could predict what Phaser Valeris would use, or even if she'd use a Phaser. She thought she was going to off the 2 Yeomans, for all Kirk and Spock knew she could have just smothered them with pillows.

As you say, it was a risky venture. Valeris, though misguided, was motivated by logic. If she'd already gone that far, Spock had no reason to suspect she'd stop at killing him as well.

stitch626 · Post by **stitch626** » Wed May 07, 2008 11:27 pm

Enterprise A just had a loud alarm (as was shown in the kitchen scene).

Captain Picard's Hair · Fri May 09, 2008 4:14 am

Is everyone just silently agreeing or are you stumped? That's unusual for this place.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Fri May 09, 2008 11:08 am

Silently agreeing I think. A point to note is that it was Uhura, not Spock, who suggested refitting a torpedo was gasseous anomal detectors, but the fact that Spock played a vital role in actually refitting it cancels that out. Plus the fact of Spock getting the details of the conspacy out of Valeris.

Captain Picard's Hair · Fri May 09, 2008 2:22 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:Silently agreeing I think.

Thanks, I appreciate it.