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It seems that people are happy to go with a hospital ship around Ambassador class size. I will use this post to keep track of where we are so far and I will post questions/tasks in posts below.

1. Roughly how long should it be? Around 500m.
2. How many patients should it be able to manage? 40k.
3. What should be the crew compliment? 2000.
4. How many of them should be the medical staff? 95%.
5. Spherical primary hull or elliptical? Spherical.
6. What year shall we base it in? 2390.
7. What should we call it? Here we are struggling I will post a poll and we shall vote.
8. How long should it take to build? Roughly 18 months.
9. How fast should it go? Warp 9.9.
10. Should it have landing capability? No, Lots of shuttles and runabouts.

Please vote on the name Here.

#EDIT# I have reduce crew compliment and capacity. If you are still unhappy with these figures, tell me what you think they should be.
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Please answer the following questions:

1. Roughly how long should it be?
2. How many patients should it be able to manage?
3. What should be the crew compliment?
4. How many of them should be the medical staff?
5. Spherical primary hull or elliptical?
6. What year shall we base it in?
7. What should we call it?
8. How long should it take to build?
9. How fast should it go?
10. Should it have landing capability?
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alexmann wrote:6. What year shall we base it in?
If you're doing a straight continuing of my project (which BTW I'm fine with), then the year is 2390, going by Teaos' threads for the Paladin.
If you're not, then I vote 2390, so it's in the same era of the Paladin. ;)
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1. Roughly how long should it be?

I'd go with a short, somewhat squat design, to minimize travel time between areas of the ship. Unless you want redundancies in personnel, equipment, etc, you'd want specialized wards, and wouldn't want them at opposite ends of an 800 meter long ship, transporters aside. At the same time, you don't want it to be a big fat target for forces like the Klingons or Dominion, who don't care about non-combatant status. So, I'd give it a slightly lower side profile.

Length: ~500 meters
Beam: ~400 meters
Height: ~200 meters
Decks: ~40
Mass: ~2,000 kilotons

2. How many patients should it be able to manage?

This would be related to questions 3 and 4, and could vary depending on the level of treatment desired. If we're talking about a massive MASH ship, then the number could be higher than something like a modern CASH. The idea would be to perform surgery, stabilize the patients, and then ship them off to a more capable facility. Of course, with 'Trek med tech, even a MASH-type could accomplish what we couldn't in the most advanced modern medical facility.

In that case, with somewhere in the area of 2 million square feet per deck, and 40 decks or so, even giving 60% of the space to shuttle bays, ship systems, supplies and crew accommodations, there are still 30 million square feet to work with (give or take; my math isn't as great as some on this site). So, if each patient has 200 sq ft dedicated to them and the equipment, work area, etc. on a MASH-type ship, and 1,000 sq ft for a CASH-type...

MASH-type (short-term stabilization and treatment, and emergency surgery only): ~150,000 patients.

CASH-type (more extensive surgeries, mid-term treatment): ~30,000 patients.

3. What should be the crew compliment?

Following a modern ideal nurse to patient ratio, and including doctors, surgeons, and ship crew (engineering, bridge, etc), but factoring in 'Trek tech advantage (let's say it's around 3:1)...

MASH-type: ~6,000 plus ~4,000 medical holograms

CASH-type: ~1,200 plus ~800 medical holograms

4. How many of them should be the medical staff?

I'd say between 90 (CASH) and 95 (MASH) percent. Given automation, and the low crew requirements of even Starfleet's most advanced ships, a few hundred crew should be able to operate a ship this size easily.

5. Spherical primary hull or elliptical?

Spherical, to maximize hull space.

6. What year shall we base it in?

I vote 2390.

7. What should we call it?

I propose the Caduceus-class.

8. How long should it take to build?

Ideally, the interior would be designed to be reconfigured easily with the advent of new medical technology. It doesn't need fancy sensors, science equipment, or weapons/armor (though I'd go with powerful shields), and depending on the type, it wouldn't even need the most advanced medical equipment; just bio-beds, holo-emitters on the whole ship, and a dozen or so Type VIII phaser arrays for basic defense.

MASH-type: ~6 months

CASH-type: ~2 years

9. How fast should it go?

Again, this depends on the purpose. In an unstable battlefront environment like a MASH-type would be in, speed would be important for response and escape. For a CASH-type, comfortably behind the front lines, the resources would be better spent on further capacity.

MASH-type: ~9.8

CASH-type: ~9

10. Should it have landing capability?

It should have the capability to carry pre-fab field hospitals, and a good number of ambulance-style runabouts or shuttles, but landing the ship itself would make it more vulnerable, and more complicated (thereby wasting space for patients). I vote no.
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1. Roughly how long should it be? 525m
2. How many patients should it be able to manage? 150,000 (just agreeing with Tsu)
3. What should be the crew compliment? 10,300
4. How many of them should be the medical staff? 10,000
5. Spherical primary hull or elliptical? I would say elliptical to stay in the trend with normal ships but as the only hospital ship we have seen has a spherical hull I am happy with either.
6. What year shall we base it in? 2390
7. What should we call it? Nightingale - after Florence Nightingale
8. How long should it take to build? 1-2 years
9. How fast should it go? Warp 9.9
10. Should it have landing capability? No

I agree with Tsu, we should have large numbers of shuttles and runabouts to help ferry casualties on and off.
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I'm coming late but I find this idea intriguing :D I'm aiming for combat triage hospital as I see a long term treatment ship a bit of a waste of resources tbh when it could be land based.

1. Roughly how long should it be?

I reckon we're talking the 500m ballpark. it will be impractical to make it much bigger but also needs to be rather large in order to carry volumes of passengers.

2. How many patients should it be able to manage?

150,000 seems...incredibly large. If it can take that many then great!

3. What should be the crew compliment?

5,000

4. How many of them should be the medical staff?

90%

5. Spherical primary hull or elliptical?

Spherical to be sure. Maximum space in a given "footprint". Plus the Olympic looks awesome. Also means that there is much more surface areas for ambulance shuttles.

6. What year shall we base it in?

Anything 2350s onwards. Makes sense to do it 2390s

7. What should we call it?

Benevolence class, Amity Class

8. How long should it take to build?

However long it takes?

9. How fast should it go?

Warp 9+. you want these things to be deployable quickly.

10. Should it have landing capability?

Absolutely not. Instead, a significant contingent of shuttles and support vehicles to transport between surface and ship.
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1. Roughly how long should it be? 500 meter range sounds right.
2. How many patients should it be able to manage? If 150,000 is doable, then awesome.
3. What should be the crew compliment? Probably 1500 - 2500
4. How many of them shdould be the medical staff? Around 30%, with ALL the rest as qualified field medics.
5. Spherical primary hull or elliptical? Definitely spherical.
6. What year shall we base it in? 2390s.
7. What should we call it? I like the Hippocrates class.
8. How long should it take to build? I'd say around a year, when the R&D is done.
9. How fast should it go? Warp 9.9 max, good speed for arriving quickly and bugging out.
10. Should it have landing capability? No, rather, it should have plenty of shuttle/runabout support to fill that role.
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1. Roughly how long should it be?

As with what everyone else seems to be saying, 500m seems like the best size range. Not too big, but enough to have sufficient capacity.


2. How many patients should it be able to manage?

Probably between 120-150k.


3. What should be the crew compliment?

About 4-5,000.


4. How many of them should be the medical staff?

95%. 200-300 crew should be able to run the ship effectively.


5. Spherical primary hull or elliptical?

Spherical.


6. What year shall we base it in?

2390's.


7. What should we call it?

Fleming-class, after Sir Alexander Fleming.
Lister-class, after Joseph Lister.


8. How long should it take to build?

How long does it take to build a starship? Perhaps 12-18 months after the necessary R&D.


9. How fast should it go?

Whatever is Starfleet's current maximum attainable velocity, as it should be able to be rapidly deployed to any natural or man-made disaster.


10. Should it have landing capability?

I've never liked the idea of huge starships landing on planets. And if the affected area is widespread, having a large number of shuttles and specialised transporters would seem more logical anyway. So no.
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1. Roughly how long should it be?

I'll echo what everybody else has been saying; In the 500m ballpark area.

2. How many patients should it be able to manage?


I lack the maths to calculate this, but 150k seems good if the maths works out.

3. What should be the crew compliment?


6000 – 7000

4. How many of them should be the medical staff?


The vast majority, 90% or more.

5. Spherical primary hull or elliptical?


Assuming we go for the usual primary and secondary hull deign, spherical. Although something more compact could be a better idea.

6. What year shall we base it in?


2390's

7. What should we call it?


I have no idea, though I think we should hold off on coming up with a name until we flesh it out a bit more.

8. How long should it take to build?

As long as it takes, we can figure that out later.

9. How fast should it go?

As fast as what is possible in the time period.

10. Should it have landing capability?

No. There is no point for it to land, it's far more effective and efficient to use a large contingent of shuttles.


Since everybody seems to be agreeing with 2390's, did Teaos (or anybody else) draw up some specs for the Paladin, and can we make this ship into the same “canon” as the Paladin?
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Hold on! You guys are talking about a CREW COMPLEMENT in the 5000 - 7000 range in a 500m ship, where the GCS had a crew complement of 1000 including dependents?! Where the hell are you going to put them all... and THEN have room for patients?
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On top of which the figure of 150k patients is way over the top. Even is the thing was a brick (say, 500m*250m*60 decks), that's only a few dozen square metres of floor space per patient without considering engines, corridors, crew quarters, operating theatres, etc.
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Wait... it needs engines, too?
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Mikey wrote:Wait... it needs engines, too?
I suppose you could rely on solar wind and gravitational slingshots, but the occupants might consider that to be a bit too sedate a pace.
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Or you could use the magical wave that propels you really fast but kills everyone on the planet.
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alexmann wrote:Or you could use the magical wave that propels you really fast but kills everyone on the planet.
The Soliton Wave?
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