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Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:57 pm
by Mikey
Wait... weren't you saying that the New Orleans-class was underpowered compared to the Interepid, and now you're saying its strength is overstated? :confused:

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:01 pm
by stitch626
Mikey wrote:Wait... weren't you saying that the New Orleans-class was underpowered compared to the Interepid, and now you're saying its strength is overstated? :confused:

I think hes saying if we went by modern military scales it would be overpowered.

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:56 pm
by Hailene
Mikey wrote:Wait... weren't you saying that the New Orleans-class was underpowered compared to the Interepid, and now you're saying its strength is overstated? :confused:


As Stitch said, I think trying to compare Star Trek ships and their destinations and modern (IE world war 2) equivalents is silly. The differences between the strength of the DITL ship indexes are much smaller than the differences between World War 2 ships. It makes for a bad analogy.

Edit: Whoops, my noobness is showing through. I just read the sticky about not to debate here. So I'm leaving this to rest. If the site creator deems it worth rearranging some of the strengths on some classes, let him. If not, then not.

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:25 am
by Mark
In the temporal section, you have it listed that Kirk destroyed the Narada with a volley of phasers and torps. IIRC, he DAMAGED it but the anomaly actually destroyed the ship.

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:05 pm
by stitch626
Mark wrote:In the temporal section, you have it listed that Kirk destroyed the Narada with a volley of phasers and torps. IIRC, he DAMAGED it but the anomaly actually destroyed the ship.

Actually, it was more of a combined effort.

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:20 pm
by Captain Seafort
stitch626 wrote:Actually, it was more of a combined effort.


True, but it was more the "black hole" that did it in, not the neoE - the Enterprise certainly hurt it, but didn't a couldn't kill it, any more than Kirk's boot to the face killed Kruge in TSFS.

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:51 am
by IanKennedy
Not especially, the Narada had proven it could very easily traverse the black whole without being destroyed. What killed it was the Enterprise smashing it into bits. Of cause this was only possible once the shields where down.

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:17 pm
by Mark
Exactly. The damage done by Kirk and Spock comprimised its structure, allowing it to be torn apart by the "black hole". Had Enterprise never fired, likely the ship would still have been destroyed by the damage already incurred. Otherwise, if it was in no danger of destruction, why offer assistance?

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:24 pm
by IanKennedy
Mark wrote:Exactly. The damage done by Kirk and Spock comprimised its structure, allowing it to be torn apart by the "black hole". Had Enterprise never fired, likely the ship would still have been destroyed by the damage already incurred. Otherwise, if it was in no danger of destruction, why offer assistance?

They specifically said that it had every chance of surviving the black whole. That's why the fired on it at all, because if they didn't then it could easily have survived.

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:35 pm
by Coalition
IanKennedy wrote:They specifically said that it had every chance of surviving the black whole. That's why the fired on it at all, because if they didn't then it could easily have survived.


Agreed; it survived once, they didn't want to take a chance of it surviving a second time.

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:25 am
by Mark
Right. But my point is, is WASN'T the fire it was taking from Enterprise that destroyed it.....it was destroyed by the black hole after taking critical damage from both Spock ramming the Jellyfish, and Kirk opening fire.

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:48 am
by IanKennedy
Mark wrote:Right. But my point is, is WASN'T the fire it was taking from Enterprise that destroyed it.....it was destroyed by the black hole after taking critical damage from both Spock ramming the Jellyfish, and Kirk opening fire.

There's no evidence to support that. All we see are pieces of the ship (that have been broken off by the enterprise fire) falling into the black whole. Can I just say that I now have the Blu-ray disk and was looking at the scene last night :)

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:43 pm
by Sionnach Glic
I got the impression that it was a combined effort of all the various factors. The Jellyfish rammed the Narada, causing serious damage. The nE then damaged it sufficiently to allow the black hole to tear the vessel appart.

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:54 pm
by IanKennedy
Yes, but isn't that like saying that the sea is what sinks ships. After all the torpedo from the submarine only sends the sub to the bottom, it's the sea that corrodes the sub and eventually dissolves it completely.

Re: Ship nits on main site

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:56 pm
by stitch626
Well no. While the sea does dissolve the ship, it doesn't sink it (at least not for the reason you listed). The ship doesn't have to dissolve to sink.