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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby Jim » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:23 am

It also depends on how much traffic you want on the site. If you are good with a dozen or so regulars and just the occasional person checking it out then not having many updates is fine. If you want more traffic, more interaction, more popularity, etc... then you keep the information fresh and you add new info often.
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby Tsukiyumi » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:54 am

I second Sonic; it is indeed your site. Go nuts.

If you stick with the things that are consistent with one another, that would be easier to categorize. File the detritus under temporal.

Maybe pick a color for temporal info?
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby Jim » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:08 pm

3D letting for temporal :)
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby Sonic Glitch » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:12 pm

Would it be possible to add things/events to the existing databanks (say Timeline or Fed Ships) and use a different button color for non-canon ships? That way rather than maybe going to a special Non-Canon section and finding it there one could simply click Fed Ships --> Vesta Classbwith the Vesta Class button being a different color (or colour).
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby Tinadrin Chelnor » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:18 pm

I like the idea, I like to find out as much information as I can, especially as I occasionally use the stuff on this site to convert Star Trek ships to my own Universe.

Also, I concur with the colour-blindness preferential for Cyan. Red/green/orange is not good for me.

Either way, keep up the good work, I really like this site, and appreciate both your efforts Mr Graham's :-)
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby Graham Kennedy » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:58 pm

Sonic Glitch wrote:Would it be possible to add things/events to the existing databanks (say Timeline or Fed Ships) and use a different button color for non-canon ships? That way rather than maybe going to a special Non-Canon section and finding it there one could simply click Fed Ships --> Vesta Classbwith the Vesta Class button being a different color (or colour).


Hmm, would have to think about that. It should certainly be possible to implement having different coloured buttons on a list, but we'd have to think about how it tied into the colour scheme of the site.
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby IanKennedy » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:02 pm

Nothing is impossible, however, I wonder what would decide the colour of the button. For example we already have ship classes where the class name is not cannon. This includes the obvious ones from the FJ TM, but also ones where the class name isn't known, like the Centaur class for example. We know that this class exists but we don't know that this is the class ship. Should the button be coloured based upon the class name "canonistity" or on something else?
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby Sonic Glitch » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:08 am

IanKennedy wrote:Nothing is impossible, however, I wonder what would decide the colour of the button. For example we already have ship classes where the class name is not cannon. This includes the obvious ones from the FJ TM, but also ones where the class name isn't known, like the Centaur class for example. We know that this class exists but we don't know that this is the class ship. Should the button be coloured based upon the class name "canonistity" or on something else?

Technically the button should be based on whatever you feel like ;) Maybe differentiate between "Seen/Referenced on-Screen" and "Seen/Referenced in novels?" That way you can keep the current buttons their current colo(u)rs (since I recall it being mentioned that a bunch of the FJ ships how up on background screens in STI/II) and use a different colo(u)r for the ones that appear purely in the novels/EU.
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby DarkMoineau » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:26 pm

I really like the idea. Adding more ships is always a good idea as long as you show what is cannon or not.

And for Federation, Saladin etc... Aren't they already cannon as they appear on Enterprise's screens in the old movies?
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby Graham Kennedy » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:26 pm

Okay after thinking over the issue we've gone ahead and modified the site to more clearly accept novels as sources.

We went with a new colour for novels, picking cyan. We've also slightly tweaked the green colour so that it contrasts with the cyan a bit more clearly. You can see the colour at work in the Federation and Soyuz Class pages for an example.

New info should start appearing in the coming weeks as time and enthusiasm allow.
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby Captain Seafort » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:57 pm

Nicely done with the colouring. A couple of nitpicks about the Federation class article though:

1) A couple of facts you've marked as "novel" (top speed and the existence of the Star Empire) turned up in the tech manual - shouldn't they be marked as such, even if they were repeated in the novel?

2) With the proviso that I haven't read it, my understanding was that the description of the dreadnought in the eponymous novel was significantly different to the ship in the SFTM (I've head something about a hexagonal hull).
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:17 pm

Okay, that looks... pretty nice. A sincere good luck on this. :)

Will this info be primarily from the relatively recent relaunch novels?
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby Tsukiyumi » Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:22 pm

I also have a nit on the Federation class, namely that the shield strength is described as being 30% stronger than the Constitution, yet are listed at about 50% weaker.
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby Graham Kennedy » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:30 pm

Thanks, will look into that shield thing.

The initial idea is to start incorporating material from the Destiny trilogy and the Titan series. See what happens after that.
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Re: Non Canon Ships and events

Postby Meste17 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:45 pm

GrahamKennedy wrote:Ian and I have been mulling over including entries on a few of the non canon ships of the modern post-Voyager era. Specifically, the Luna class of which Riker's USS Titan is a member, and the Vesta class of which the USS Aventine is a member.

Neither are canon but both are officially supported - both are ships that have starred in one or more official Trek novels, thus both are ships that we know or can extrapolate a reasonable amount about and get a reasonable entry on.

Including the events from those novels would also allow us to incorporate more character detail - the events of the novels, such as Picard marrying Beverly, Dax becoming a Captain, some of Riker's adventures on the Titan, etc. Naturally the canon colour coding system would let us show all this up as the non canon material that it is.

There is some precedent for this, as we include entries for Franz Joseph's non canon ships from the Starfleet tech manual already.

What say you? Good idea, or not? And any other candidates for ships to include?



I think that it is a really good idea and you should do it. You should try to make as many entries about other ships as well, like the Typhon and the Valkyrie class starfighters. I'd REALLY like to see those! Oh, and other stuff like the new Deep Space Nine seen in the new novels! :D
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